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		<title>Mmmm…. scams… (part 2)</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 05:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Wil Clouser</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it must be my old age shining through but rather than go down to the meeting and cause hate and discontent I decided to repair a hole in my kitchen floor instead.  As much as I enjoy awkward conversations (when I&#8217;m the instigator), it just seemed like a lot of effort &#8211; [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it must be my old age shining through but rather than go down to the meeting and cause hate and discontent I decided to repair a hole in my kitchen floor instead.  As much as I enjoy awkward conversations (when I&#8217;m the instigator), it just seemed like a lot of effort &#8211; and for what?  Not much.</p>
<p>I remembered my neighbor left his phone number so I gave him a quick call about an hour before the meeting to let him know I wouldn&#8217;t be able to make it.  After confirming that he wasn&#8217;t the one giving the presentation tonight I told him that it was all a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_marketing">multi-level marketing scam</a> and was wondering if he was aware of that.  He started to get a little defensive and said his friends we&#8217;re all involved (<a href="http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=10697">where have I heard that?</a>) and it sounded pretty good.  I don&#8217;t think he knew much about the internet so I told him I just wanted to give him a heads up and that there were a lot of stories online about people getting scammed with madebig.  Hell, google for madebig and scam.com is the second link.  Here&#8217;s a short excerpt and also my final realization that going down there would be a huge waste of time:</p>
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<b>Me:</b> <em>Just do a little research on them before you give them your money.  The entire scam is documented online.</em><br />
<b>Him:</b> <em>Ok, thanks.  I&#8217;ll ask them about that at the meeting.</em><br />
<b>Me:</b> <em>You&#8217;ll ask them if they are a scam?</em><br />
<b>Him:</b> <em>Yeah.</em>
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<p>And with that I wished him good-luck and got off the phone.  What a waste.</p>
<p>Moral of the story: People don&#8217;t give money away.  Use your head.  Also, I should care less about what other people do.</p>
<p>(For the record, turns out pyramid schemes are actually illegal in Oregon under <a href="http://www.leg.state.or.us/ors/646.html">ORS 646.609</a>.)</p>
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		<title>Mmmm&#8230;. scams&#8230; (part 1?)</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Wil Clouser</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This afternoon my neighbor (who I&#8217;d never met before) showed up at my door with a bundle of bright pink papers.  He explained to me that he was inviting me to a meeting tomorrow at our local library that would help me make vast amounts of money.  Oh really?
I probed for some details [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This afternoon my neighbor (who I&#8217;d never met before) showed up at my door with a bundle of bright pink papers.  He explained to me that he was inviting me to a meeting tomorrow at our local library that would help me make vast amounts of money.  Oh really?</p>
<p>I probed for some details but apparently he&#8217;s only been a member of this money-laden organization for a week so he didn&#8217;t know much.  He did drop some key words like Internet, Ebay, and social networking. With an endorsement like that, how could I resist?  A guy with no knowledge of a company claiming it can make big money and asking others to join?  Sounds like a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme">pyramid scheme</a> to me.</p>
<p>So, I had a look at this flyer, and it&#8217;s actually for <a href="http://madebig.com">madebig.com</a>.  Hoping to get smacked in the face with some web 2.0 goodness I checked it out and was disappointed to see everything is hidden behind a login.  A mysterious club I have to join with the promise of money?  I can&#8217;t sign up fast enough!  Also, the flyer says I can join their &#8220;Fast Start Bonus&#8221; plan.</p>
<p>Some brief googling looks like it will reveal the details of the scam, but I kind of want to be surprised.  Since I&#8217;ve never made a poll before, and I&#8217;m not planning on making another one in the future, I&#8217;m going old school and just providing four options.  If you care enough, vote in the comments &#8211; and if you want to go, let me know.</p>
<ol>
<li>Give into the siren call.  Go to the meeting.  Sign up. Get rich.</li>
<li>Go to the meeting.  Take a bunch of pictures of whoever is presenting it and at the end raise my hand and ask how it&#8217;s not a scam.</li>
<li>Get to the meeting early, change their signs to point to a different meeting room and host my own scam when everyone shows up.</li>
<li>Don&#8217;t go to the meeting.  They&#8217;re actually planning on mugging you.</li>
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<p>(Sorry for the <24 hour notice <img src='http://micropipes.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
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